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CollegeHoops.net Top 50 Ranking: Week Eight

January 4th, 2009
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Week Eight Ranking: January 4th

by Shawn Siegel: Collegehoops.net Editor

 

*The Top 50 was updated in the morning after the initial posting to account for the late Arizona/Stanford game.

 

  Team Record Last Pre.
1 Pittsburgh 14-0 3 11
2 UNC 13-1* 1 1
3 Duke 12-1 5 5
4 Wake Forest 13-0 6 14
5 Connecticut 12-1* 2 3
6 Oklahoma 13-1* 4 12
7 Texas 11-2 9 2
8 Clemson 14-0 11 23
9 Georgetown 10-2* 14 33
10 Syracuse 14-1 13 22
11 Tennessee 9-3* 8 10
12 UCLA 12-2 17 4
13 Michigan State 11-2 18 7
14 Arizona State 12-2* 12 15
15 Notre Dame 10-3* 7 9
16 Baylor 12-2* 10 17
17 Memphis 10-3 19 8
18 Purdue 11-3* 16 20
19 Villanova 12-2* 20 30
20 Dayton 13-1 21 42
21 Butler 12-1 23 65
22 Marquette 13-2 25 16
23 Xavier 11-2 24 32
24 Saint Mary's 13-1 26 35
25 Gonzaga 8-4* 15 13
26 West Virginia 11-2 28 44
27 Minnesota 13-1* 27 52
28 BYU 11-2* 22 36
29 Florida 12-2 29 19
30 Miami 10-3 33 26
31 Davidson 10-2 32 40
32 Michigan 11-3* 30 72
33

Ohio State

10-2* 34 34
34 Illinois 13-2* 35 66
35 UNLV 13-2 37 28
36 Kansas 10-3 43 31
37 California 13-2

45

127
38 Texas A&M 13-1 38 63
39 Louisville 9-3* 31 6
40 Florida State 13-2 39 78
41 Boston College 12-3 NA(53) 90
42 Wisconsin 11-3 42 18
43 Illinois State 14-0

46

82
44 Maryland 11-2 44 67
45 Missouri 12-2 47 54
46 San Diego State 11-3 49 55
47 Oklahoma State 10-3 50 49
48 Creighton 12-3* 41 24
49 Arizona 9-5** 36 29
50 Cincinnati 10-4** 40 109

 

Next Five (in order): Utah State (12-1), LSU (12-1), Arkansas (11-1), Stanford (11-1*), South Carolina (10-2)

 

Dropped Out

  Week Pre
  Virginia Tech 9-5* 8 39
  Seton Hall 9-5** 7 100
  Temple 5-6 6 27
  LSU 12-1 6 50
  Mississippi 9-5* 5 46
  USC 10-4* 4 21
  Kent State 7-6 3 41
  Siena 10-4 3 45
  UAB 9-5* 3 47
  VCU 8-5* 3 48
  Southern Illinois 5-9** 2 43
  Cleveland State 11-5* 2 53
  Nevada 7-7** 2 59
  Kentucky 11-4* 1 25
  Alabama 10-3 1 37
  Washington 10-3 1 38

Pre = Preseason CHN Top 144 Ranking

Week = Last Week in Top 50

* = losses this week

 

Don't forget to check out the CHN Top 50 Power Ranking every Sunday night! Check out past week's rankings and this week's AP Top 25.

 

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Comments

Anonymous's picture

Carolina moves no further

Carolina moves no further back than #2 after loosing its conference opener at home to a non-ranked team that was picked to finish 11th in in the ACC? Thats unbelievable. Did you get your degree from UNC or something?

Shawn Siegel's picture

oh no, my secret's been

oh no, my secret's been discovered..

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Evan Dorey's picture

I'd probably flip Utah St.

I'd probably flip Utah St. and SDSU, but I have a feeling the Aggies will be pulling up this list in the weeks to come. Also, I'd have West Virginia and Cal both a few spots higher, and maybe drop Baylor and Gonzaga a little. The massive clustering of 2 and 3 loss teams makes it pretty tough, though.

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Wheres the big ten love?'s picture

Shawn, Just curious about

Shawn, Just curious about your ranking for the Big Ten teams? Why so low? They have the best out of conference record of all the leagues this year. Illinois is 13-2 with wins at Vandy and at Purdue but ranked #33? Michigan at #32 with wins over UCLA and Duke? I just dont get your love for Baylor and I'm sure not many people do. Maybe you can explain the mad formula you use to come up with your rankings.

Shawn Siegel's picture

Fair question

Especially considering BT is 2nd in RPI right now, though a distant 3rd in most other statistical power rankings. Mostly its just a matter of going team by team and looking at who theyve actually played, and stripping away all the useless home wins over bad non-conference teams. Illinois is the prime example, non-conference play they lost at home to their only lock NCAA opponent, and beat one bubble team (Missouri) on a neutral court. Okay, 1-1 for againt potential NCAA teams in non-conference play, and neither was a true road game.

Purdue, 1-2 for against lock teams, Okla, Duke, Davidson, 1-0 against a fringe tourney team (BC). And again, none of those were true road games.

Wisconsin, 0-3 against lock teams, 1-0 against a fringe team (VT)

Minnesota, yet to play a lock tourney team, 1-0 against a fringe team for now in Louisville on a neutral court.

The one team, looking at the rankings again this morning, that I was admittedly too harsh towards is OSU, who I need to move up some.

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Anonymous's picture

what has to happen?

Shawn, I like what you do on this website. But I have a question... what will it take for you to take Washington out of the dog house? Yeah, they lost to a bad Portland team on the road to open their season (and without MBA), and yeah they got CRUSHED by Kansas in Kansas City (no excuses), and yes without Brockman Portland State showed them how vulnerable they could be if they don't close out games (they were up by ~15 most of the game until Nelson and Waters caught fire in the closing minutes). But what about everything else they've done? They beat Cleveland State and Oklahoma State by 15 and 18, they stayed within 2 of Florida on a neutral court, and they crushed Washington State by 20 in Pullman, playing Washington State's game.

It seems to me that going 3-3, or rather 3-2 and a bad opener @ Portland, in significant games is reason for praise considering what other teams' records in similar situations are. I understand that their road woes are a significant concern, but most of that damage was very early for a very young team -- 2 freshmen starters, and a 3rd freshman as their sixth man off the bench, not to mention every other significant bench player being a sophomore... the team is getting penalized for their inexperience when they've seemingly made a ton of progress.

UW is ranked #19 by Pomeroy's numbers, and 43rd overall for Sagarin's ratings. I think #19 is a little optimistic, but I do think they are a top-50 team.

What will Washington have to do to get back in your good graces? Only a win against Stanford next week, or a sweep against Stanford and California, or will they also have to sweep Oregon and Oregon State to sit 5-0 in conference, either in first or second to UCLA, before getting recognized?

Shawn Siegel's picture

Simple, win both home games

Simple, win both home games this week and you're back in :)

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Anonymous's picture

SIU?

Let it go Shawn...let it go. Drop SIU like a hot potato...they're not doin' much this year...probably 15-18 L's. Why you holdin' on? Sorta like a lost love, or an old girlfriend...just can't let go, huh.

Drake & Evansville however deserve a bit of consideration. How 'bout it?

Shawn Siegel's picture

What am I holding onto?

What am I holding onto? They're in the dropped out list. Once you drop out from having made it at one time, you always stay there. Nice reminder of how wrong my/our early predictions were in certain cases. Drake/Evansville aren't top 50 worthy yet.. but they did make the new Non-BCS Top 25 thats up for the first time this week.

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Anonymous's picture

Butler @ 21?

Gotta say Shaun, you giving Butler less credit then the BCS conference coaches who vote in the ESPN Coaches Poll (who have Butler at #20 this week) is kinda sad...

Anonymous's picture

Arkansas

How can they be out of the top 50?? I know their schedule was a little weak before beating Oklahoma... But, they handled the Sooners, rather easily for most of the game, and OU is still #6 and the Hogs are outside your top 50... That doesn't really make sense. Not saying the Hogs should be higher than the Sooners, but they should be ahead of Oklahoma State, Missouri, Creighton, Cincy, SDSU, etc, etc, etc...

Shawn Siegel's picture

Arkansas

This is in response to posts here and last week which I missed during the holiday. Simply put, I'm not sold yet. Mediocre teams win games against good teams, it simply happens. Hogs have played the 299th hardest schedule, and not only have they played a crazy easy schedule, they've done it at home. Against real competition, Arkansas would have 3 losses or so like everyone one of the other fringe teams people want on the list. Then again, if they beat Texas this week.. I look like a fool and they jump up the list substantially.

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Shawn Siegel's picture

Ark/Tex

Well I guess that is now answered.. great win!

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