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The Starting Fives: Big 12

October 14th, 2008
Big 12 Basketball

Big 12 Basketball


Unlike the NBA, where most starting lineups are set in stone weeks before the season, NCAA starting fives are highly unsettled and constantly in flux. Going through the BCS leagues this week, I'll be projecting the starting fives for each team. Also included is the team's most important bench option, and some notes on other possible lineups.

In the case where a quality player is ineligible for the fall semester or suspended for the opening few games, I've still included them in the projections. These are really supposed to be projections of how lineups will look in February and March.

Next week, based on these lineups, I'll be throwing out statistical projections for major BCS contributors.


BIG TWELVE


BAYLOR

G Tweety Carter Jr
G Henry Dugat Sr
G Curtis Jerrells Sr
G LaceDarius Dunn So
F Kevin Rogers Sr

6 Quincy Acy (PF)*

It's possible a player like Acy or Anthony Jones starts, with Dunn becoming a super-sub. Returning 7-footers Josh Lomers and Mamadou Diene should see a combined 25 mpg. *See comment below about removal of Artem Valov from this spot.


COLORADO

G Cory Higgins So
G Nate Tomlinson Fr
F Jermyl Jackson-Wilson Sr
F Austin Dufault Fr
F Casey Crawford So

6 Toby Veal (F)

Notes: Only die-hard Buffs fans have a clue who these guys are. Higgins is the returning leading scorer (8 ppg) and should be joined by the Australian product Tomlinson.  If the season goes downhill fast, Jackson-Wilson could be replaced in the starting 5 by Veal, another of Colorado's newcomers. Levi Knutson and Dwight Thorne II should both see upwards of 20 mpg backing up the guard spots.


IOWA STATE

G Diante Garrett So
G Lucca Staiger Jr
F Craig Brackins So
F Jamie Vanderbeken Jr

F Alex Thompson Sr

6 Bryan Peterson (PG)

Notes: Outside of Brackins, not much is settled here. Peterson was the starting PG last year, but everyone expects Garrett to win that spot this time around.  Staiger, known as a great shooter, and Vanderbeken are newcomers who should help Iowa State score the ball. Another newcomer, freshman forward Justin Hamilton figures to see time, but might not develop for another season. In the backcourt, Dominique Buckley and Sean Haluska provide depth.


KANSAS


G Sherron Collins Jr

G Tyshawn Taylor Fr
G Mario Little Jr
F Marcus Morris Fr
F Cole Aldrich So

6 Markieff Morris (PF)

Notes: This is pretty much the lineup everyone expects from Kansas, though I've seen Markieff listed as a projected starter instead of the smaller Marcus.  Besides those six, the other main contributors will be guards Tyone Appleton (Juco) and Travis Releford (Fr). Little used sophomore Tyrel Reed couls also see 10 mpg.

KANSAS STATE

 

G Jacob Pullen So
G Denis Clemente Jr

F Dominque Sutton So
F Jamar Samuels Fr
F Ron Anderson So

6 Darren Kent (F)

Notes: Besides Kent, the other feature reserves will be off-guard Fred Brown and big-men Luis Colon. Juco newcomer Buchi Awaji could also emerge as a legitimate 20 mpg scoring option off the bench or be a bust.


MISSOURI

G Miguel Paul Fr
G JT Tiller Jr
G Matt Lawrence Sr
F DeMarre Carroll Sr
F Leo Lyons Sr

6 Zaire Taylor (PG)

Notes: Taylor, a Delaware transfer, will battle Paul for starting PG duties, but should also back up the 2.  The other reserves figure to be Keith Ramsey (perhaps the 1st option behind both Carroll & Lyons), Laurence Bowers, and Justin Safford.


NEBRASKA

G Cookie Miller So
G Ade Dagundrup Sr
G Ryan Anderson Jr
F Alex Chapman So
F Alonzo Edwards Fr

6 Steve Harley (PG)

Notes: The Huskers took a major hit when talented German newcomer Christopher Niemann was ruled ineligible for the 08-09 season. Instead, the frontcourt spots will be filled by a pair of red-shirts in Chapman and Edwards. Returning reserve Chris Balham will back those guys up. Freshman guard Eshaunte Jones could see 20 mpg backing up Dagundrup and Anderson.


OKLAHOMA

G Willie Warren Fr
G Austin Johnson Sr
G Tony Crocker Jr
F Taylor Griffin Sr
F Blake Griffin So

6 Omar Leary (PG)

Notes: Barring any major developments, Oklahoma's starting five is pretty well settled. Outside of Leary, the other backcourt reserve is sophomore Cede Davis. The Sooners frontcourt reserves are more talented however. Freshman Juan Pattillo is a future starter, while UCLA transfer Ryan Wright will see 10-15 mpg.

 

OKLAHOMA STATE

 

G Byron Eaton Sr
G Terrel Harris Sr
G James Anderson So
G Obi Muonelo
C Ibrahima Thomas So

6 Keiton Page (PG)

Notes: The Cowboys obviously lack much talent in the frontcourt. Besides Thomas, senior Anthony Brown and Juco newcomer Malcolm Kirkland will get the rest of the minutes. 

 

TEXAS

G AJ Abrams Sr
G Justin Mason Jr
F Damion James Jr
F Gary Johnson So
F Connor Atchley Sr

6 Dogus Balbay (PG)

Notes: The only issue with that starting five is that neither Mason or Abrams is a pure PG. Dogus Balbay should start the season as the backup, but could start by the end of the year. Big Dexter Pittman is the X factor, if he can stay in shape and remain focused, its not inconceivable he starts alongside Atchley late in the season. Forward Matt Hill will probably see a surprising amount of time off the bench.

 

TEXAS A&M

G Donald Sloan Jr
G Derrick Roland Jr
G Josh Carter Sr
F Bryan Davis Jr
F Chinemelu Elonu Jr

6 David Loubeau (F)

Notes: A&M's starting five is relatively certain compared to most teams. Loubeau, a freshman forward, could eventually steal the starting role from Elonu.  In the backcourt, Dashan Harris, BJ Holmes, and Nathan Walkup provide depth.

 

 

TEXAS TECH

 

G John Roberson So
G Alan Voskuil Sr
G Mike Singletary So
F Trevor Cook Jr
C Esmir Rizvic Sr

6 Damir Suljagic (PF)

Notes: Tech's starting guards are the strong-point, but there's virtually no depth there. Nick Okorie, a Juco addition, is the only legitimate option. While Tech's starting forwards aren't that great, at least there's interchangeable parts on the pine. Corbin Ray, D'walyn Roberts, and Robert Lewandowski will round out the playing rotation.


Think my projections are off, let me know below where you differ! Also, let me know if there's any recent roster changes I've missed.

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Baylor

Please do your homework before writing such things. Valov will not be at Baylor. And if he even was coming, how do you have any idea that he's good enough to be our 6th man since there is not footage online much less any write-ups? Acy who has both footage and praise worthy write-ups, is much better than you give him credit for and will see a lot of minutes. Dunn is one of the best sophomores in the NCAA and will most definitely be starting and if not, definitely 6th man.

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I've never received a PR

I've never received a PR about or read an article about Valov not attending Baylor, but if that's true, I'll fix the mistake. (I'm emailing the SID about it now).

In terms of the rest, I'm not sure where we differ.

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Alright, the SID said he is

Alright, the SID said he is not in fact enrolled at Baylor and that he is going to play overseas instead. Good catch.

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Husker lineup is close, but not quite right

Shawn your Husker starting 5 is close, but I've been reading quite a bit that Coach Sadler expects to run with a small lineup. Including stretches with 5 guards on the court at the same time. This due to the loss of Maric (graduation) and Niemann (ineligible) and the depth of our backcourt players. Plus Anderson has played at the 4 spot despite his lack of size all of last year due to his ability to feed the post, play the high/low with Maric, and cause matchup problems with his oustide shooting touch.

I'd say our starting 5 will be more like this:
PG Cookie Miller
SG Steve Harley
SF Ade Dagunduro
F Ryan Anderson
F Alex Chapman

6-man will likely be Sek Henry

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Possible

That's basically the 4-guard lineup projected in CHN's official preview by Joel, which makes sense considering those 4 all started 19 games or more last year. (although he has balham over chapman which I think is unlikely, but it was written months ago)

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Texas A&M

I think that Turgeon is a big fan of Walkup and I think he has a short fuse with Rolland, so I won't be surprised to see him mix those two up at some point in the season.

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I guess, but if he's such a

I guess, but if he's such a big fan, why'd he only play 5 mins a game? I dont really know much about walkup since he didnt really play the final 2 months, though per minute he did decent, albeit in scrub time.

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Texas lineup

I have no problems with your lineup, but was going to give you some additional thoughts.

Balbay is sitting for the 1st game against Stetson as part of a compliance with an NCAA mandated suspension which ended up starting last season and entering this year, so this could well be the beginning lineup. However, I don't see anyway Balbay isn't starting the majority of the season, unless it's due to injury. He's simply too important to the kind of free flowing offense Barnes likes to run, which leans heavily on ball screens and players making decisions on the court based on various options, rather than running set plays.

It also looks like Texas is going to be playing a lot more 3 guard lineups than I anticipated, because of the emergence of true freshman Varez Ward, who has surprised everyone with his speed, athleticism, toughness, and work ethic. At this juncture, I'm a little concerned, because I was looking forward to a much larger lineup with all the big men on campus, but we'll see.

In short, I'd say:

Balbay
Abrams
Mason
James
Atchley

Ward would be the 1st guard off the bench, and Johnson/Hill will be the first big men, depending on how Pittman ends up performing in his time.

I don't know if that's helpful at all, but it's tough to be an expert on every team out there. I think you're doing a great job of putting out information on all the college teams, and then openly asking for feedback.

Baylor lineup

Baylor has a very balanced roster now. So I would be extremely surprised to see BU start a very UNbalanced lineup like the one suggested above. Four guards and one forward.

Another thing that makes the GGGGF lineup unlikely for Baylor is the fact that BU only has 4 scholarship guards on the entire roster. If you only have 4 guards why would you start all four of them? That could screw up the substitution patterns.

It seems like Baylor does have 3 starting spots nailed down. Curtis Jerrells, Henry Dugat, and Kevin Rogers. All 3 of those are seniors who have started tons of games throughout their careers.

Beyond that, the other two starting spots could be in flux depending on how the other players are performing this year.

For the beginning of the season I would predict a Baylor starting lineup of

PG - CJ Jerrells
SG - Henry Dugat
SF - Lacedarius Dunn
PF - Kevin Rogers
C - Mamadou Diene

By the end of the season it could be this.

PG - Jerrells
SG - Dugat
SF - Lacedarius Dunn or Anthony Jones
PF - Quincy Acy
PF - Kevin Rogers

Acy and Jones are both true freshmen. Both of them fill big needs for Baylor(especially Acy).

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